Curse

Franco · Sep 29, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

I mean dont get me wrong... I dont want to sound like one of those people that think weapon and gold means skill because there is a little shop called Ebay.... But its just in consideration of old players that worked so so hard (like i said, countless hours) and their effort will seem almost useless when this update comes out.

But although I do agree there is one good thing about this, Game economy will be more balanced and everyone will get a good gaming experience, no longer will have to hassle with farming ectos 24/7 to get a good skin weapon.

Like I said, There are bad and good sides for this, So just asking for opinions.... dont post posts "Who cares" please.

DeathByAmor · Sep 29, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Franco

I mean dont get me wrong... I dont want to sound like one of those people that think weapon and gold means skill because there is a little shop called Ebay.... But its just in consideration of old players that worked so so hard (like i said, countless hours) and their effort will seem almost useless when this update comes out.

But although I do agree there is one good thing about this, Game economy will be more balanced and everyone will get a good gaming experience, no longer will have to hassle with farming ectos 24/7 to get a good skin weapon.

Like I said, There are bad and good sides for this, So just asking for opinions.... dont post posts "Who cares" please.

If you go back and read my posts they are logical and well thought out. I am no longer concerned with debating this issue. The more I tried to debate it the more I realized all I was doing is debating with people worried that their stock pile of rares was going to be worth less than they ebayed them for or possibly they farmed ectos 24/7 for them either way who cares. Things change and I am willing to change with it cause I love this game. This change will not make me change my mind. It is not like my own collection won't be losing its trade value cause it is, but the difference is that I won't be trading mine ever. If I decide I like a new weapon more I will move my uber items to my mule and get the new item. No big deal in the end.

Franco · Sep 29, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

lol.... You are entitled to your opinion like anyone, I was just asking what everyone thought of it. I pointed out good sides and bad sides. I guess this update will end all the hard farming work and the ebayers, so Im starting to agree with you,now that I have read your posts better. But i am sure there are still a lot of people that get my points.

DeathByAmor · Sep 29, 2006, 03:16 PM // 15:16

If you want to know how bad the ebay problem is. 15 minutes ago I contacted one of the more popular ebay gold stores asking them how long it would take them to fill an order for 20 million gold. They told me they would be able to fill that in the form of ectos in 2 hours. They told me they would charge me $859.99. Now for those who do not think ebay has had an ENORMOUS impact on the market you are just out of your minds. By the way I wanted to tell them to f**k themselves, but I didn't cause I was just trying to control myself.

Cunning · Sep 29, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Unless I spend most of my time farming for gold and items I won't be able to "choose" what sort of equipment I want. At the moment you'll notice that all the rich (or very lucky) people have the same range of rare items, therefore there isn't much variation in the higher class.

The same can be said for more unfortunate players who only have collector's items, again all those items are quite limited in appearance.

The point I'm trying to make is that the gap between high-end and low-end items should be decreased to encourage a greater variety of equipment.

It's either a Crystalline for the rich guy, or a Sai for the poorer guy.

AnnaCloud9 · Sep 29, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by Nexium

Now we all will be the same no one will be uniq in there weapons selection kinda boring...
at Least real MMO have that option of being a bit more Uniq...

This is exactly the opposite of what's going to happen. A market flooded with weapons sold exclusively for 100K+ectos limited the variety of weapons being purchased from players. It was the market that forced the lack of uniqueness. Not everyone wants a fellblade, a chaos axe, nor a stormbow. With this system, there will be a broader variety of characters, not a more limited one.

My ideal weapons for example, can't ever be found being sold on a regular basis, but of which I'll be going to get on my own if this goes live will be:

[factions] Morning Star Axe
[factions] Naga Bow
[factions] Outcast Shield

to name a few.

And guess what I'll need to make these items ideal? The inscriptions and mods you as heavy item traders/merchants will have an abundance of if this goes into affect. Everyone will look the same? Absolutely not.

Loviatar · Sep 29, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

if i can find it i want to make a perfect *butterknife*

just for the fun of making it

no more, no less

fun

Mordakai · Sep 29, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by milias

I agree. RPG games are about a sense of accomplishment. You take that away, people will walk away with it.

I would argue Guild Wars was never supposed to be about Elitism (except in skill).

Hence the Level cap, and Max armor, and collector weapons.

Because of all that, people who normally grind their way to level 60 in other games and want all the "best" items, realized the only way they would be "leet" in Guild Wars is with rare skins and FoW armor.

Which is fine by me...

except when you talk about Mods.

At the moment, you cannot reasonably have access to all the different combinations of mods on an item. Anet theoretically could create Greens and Collectors with every single combo, but that would be a lot of work.

That's where the idea of Inscriptions comes in. It's less about screwing people with Cystallines over (who knows, this may not even effect certain skins!), and more about giving all players access to all the different mods (including inherent mods).

DeathByAmor · Sep 29, 2006, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

I would argue Guild Wars was never supposed to be about Elitism (except in skill).

Hence the Level cap, and Max armor, and collector weapons.

Because of all that, people who normally grind their way to level 60 in other games and want all the "best" items, realized the only way they would be "leet" in Guild Wars is with rare skins and FoW armor.

Which is fine by me...

except when you talk about Mods.

At the moment, you cannot reasonably have access to all the different combinations of mods on an item. Anet theoretically could create Greens and Collectors with every single combo, but that would be a lot of work.

That's where the idea of Inscriptions comes in. It's less about screwing people with Cystallines over (who knows, this may not even effect certain skins!), and more about giving all players access to all the different mods (including inherent mods).

It would be a huge huge mistake for the inscriptions to work only on certain skins and not others.

Mordakai · Sep 29, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by DeathByAmor

It would be a huge huge mistake for the inscriptions to work only on certain skins and not others.

Not really. After all, you can get Collector Armor, 1.5k armor, 15k armor, or FoW armor.

Except for Collectors armor, they all do the same thing, they just look different. You're paying for looks.

I have no problem with the concept of expensive, rare skins. I just want access to all the mods (especially inherent mods). Of course, you could argue that Crystallines are rare skins anyway, and I'd buy that argument. But in the end, if Anet decides some skins are "un-inscriptable", it wouldn't matter to me one iota.

Franco · Sep 29, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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I contacted one of the more popular ebay gold stores asking them how long it would take them to fill an order for 20 million gold. They told me they would be able to fill that in the form of ectos in 2 hours.

WOW =\ next time can you ask how would they do that ? lol , Because I want to know

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It's either a Crystalline for the rich guy, or a Sai for the poorer guy.

mmm... and how hard did the "rich guy" worked to get that crystalline ?

Only 2 ways.

1)Farming for hours
2) Winning in HoH, and if he did, then he deserves it.

Loviatar · Sep 29, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Franco

WOW =\ next time can you ask how would they do that ? lol , Because I want to know.

that is the amount of time to process your payment, contact enough of your ingame mule players to arrange for the transfer of X number of ectos at the current price and arrange a meeting place in game for transfer.

this is not to go out in 2 hours to collect them but to arrange from storage

Mordakai · Sep 29, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Crystallines would still be rare, and still command a lot of gold, especially perfect Gold Crystallines.

You have to remember, people pay more for color. I don't know why, but they do. I'm really not convinced "Inscriptions" will suddenly make all your Perfect Crystallines "worthless" by any means!

(and they will still be hard as hell to get).

leprekan · Sep 29, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by DeathByAmor

If you want to know how bad the ebay problem is. 15 minutes ago I contacted one of the more popular ebay gold stores asking them how long it would take them to fill an order for 20 million gold. They told me they would be able to fill that in the form of ectos in 2 hours. They told me they would charge me $859.99. Now for those who do not think ebay has had an ENORMOUS impact on the market you are just out of your minds. By the way I wanted to tell them to f**k themselves, but I didn't cause I was just trying to control myself.

Sadly, this thread is so long now that most won't be able to see the people contradicting themselves. Death ... do you really think there are that many people plunking down hundreds of real life dollars for in game gold? If there were that many Ebay rich it wouldn't take DAYS of spamming to sell high end items. The "Chinese farmer" is not out farming gold coin drops ... they farm easily sold items to make that gold that is sold. This drives the market price DOWN because they increase SUPPLY. In past posts you showed how little you knew about the Ebay market and how it impacts the game .. could we please keep it on topic. Topic was I believe ... worried about the weapon mod update and how it will impact the game. You stated in a previous post you were hording 15>50 weapons to salvage the mods and make some cash when nightfall hits shelves. Which is perfectly fine and smart ... except so is EVERYONE else which will tank the economy.

Perhaps it is time for the mods to close this thread.

Velath · Sep 29, 2006, 05:51 PM // 17:51

I've been reading this for a few days and finally I think I need to post this thing. My opinion on it so far is that as things stand I don't think it should be implemented. I do like the idea of having 15^50 and all the inherint mods as salvageable, but swappable! BOOO!

And maybe you can select the mod, sure I'm comfortable with that, but getting three mods from 1 weapon and merchanting the piece of crap that's left? And then being able to have 1 15^50 mod for an account, I could outfit 10 characters if I really wanted to (which I wouldn't, but still). And I still like my GPB better, and want to find a good bramble bow!

I think they have to destroy whatever you're salvaging so you can't swap it, that way demad would stay high, prices would decrease on a lot of items, but not crash. imo.

I've played GW since day 1 (or 2 I was a little slow getting to the store). I have a lot of nice weapons, farm casually, enjoy the game more for doing pve with guildies than grinding away each day. Granted elite missions give you nice drops, and that's where I get money from. But I enjoy the game for the gameplay, and not just item collection. But no, I've never spent more than 150k (I think) for a weapon, simply cause 14^50 is good enough. But that's my view, and for those of you who go for the 'perfect' weapons, go ahead, that's cool.

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Originally posted by Franco:

mmm... and how hard did the "rich guy" worked to get that crystalline ?

Only 2 ways.

1)Farming for hours
2) Winning in HoH, and if he did, then he deserves it.

uhmm...3) EBAY!! hence the whole problem, and as loviatar pointed out, it IS EASY to get it, not cheap, but easy.

I think GW is moving in the right direction to try and limit the top end of the market, but this move in itself is too extreme. PLEASE ANet take a closer look at this change and don't go extreme.

my 2 cents.

Mordakai · Sep 29, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by leprekan

If there were that many Ebay rich it wouldn't take DAYS of spamming to sell high end items.

And you don't see that as a problem?

Franco · Sep 29, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Sadly, this thread is so long now that most won't be able to see the people contradicting themselves. Death ... do you really think there are that many people plunking down hundreds of real life dollars for in game gold? If there were that many Ebay rich it wouldn't take DAYS of spamming to sell high end items. The "Chinese farmer" is not out farming gold coin drops ... they farm easily sold items to make that gold that is sold. This drives the market price DOWN because they increase SUPPLY. In past posts you showed how little you knew about the Ebay market and how it impacts the game .. could we please keep it on topic. Topic was I believe ... worried about the weapon mod update and how it will impact the game. You stated in a previous post you were hording 15>50 weapons to salvage the mods and make some cash when nightfall hits shelves. Which is perfectly fine and smart ... except so is EVERYONE else which will tank the economy.

Perhaps it is time for the mods to close this thread.

Finally someone who can see the real point here.

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uhmm...3) EBAY!! hence the whole problem, and as loviatar pointed out, it IS EASY to get it, not cheap, but easy.

mmm so instead of Anet just get ebay to stop allowing gold sales.. Its easier to crash the whole game economy and ruin it for millions of players ?

Fist_of_God · Sep 29, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

I AGREE

i play this *GAME* if, as, and when i want to and if the cat wakes up and wants some patting he gets it.

my character onscreen lives oe dies as i turn of the sound and find out later what happened to her and her henchies.

the cat is real the game is not.

that is the relative importance of a *game* to me

i play for the fun og it not to impress people, and most certainly to show off a few pixels i farmed 10 hours a day to show i am better than you.

speaking of cats that goes for forums as well back ina bit

*Kicks Loviatar's cat*

On second thought, maybe it will be like gold and purple inscriptions. Would be better this way so you cant have any 15^50 req 8 perfect purples. This would keep the market intact to some extent, and yet cater to those less forunate, without completely hurting the rare market. Just a thought.

Mordakai · Sep 29, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

No, trust me, leprekan does not see the "real" point.

The real point is the majority of people are shut out of buying rare mods and items (and I'm not talking skins, I'm just talking about items with rare mods period).

The real point is this Inscription thing will finally fix one of the biggest problems with playing PvE: Being able to find an item with any of the mods that suits you. The potential cost: Some weapon prices will go down (again, I don't see how that will hurt the majority of the players).

We're talking about a change that I believe will have a net benefit, and will not cause the entire game of Guild Wars to disappear into the ether.

The rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, with the added benefit that the poor should be able to afford some of the "luxuries" the rich seem to take for granted.

Now, I could be totally wrong, and the price of 15>50 and other rare mods will skyrocket, and this will actually be worse then the current situation, but it seems most people agree that won't happen.

Franco · Sep 29, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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The rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, with the added benefit that the poor should be able to afford some of the luxories the rich seem to take for granted.

What do you mean for granted?

Do you know how hard some people grind UW just to get those "granted wishes by the tooth fairy" ?